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Een muur tussen man en vrouw in de moskee = bidah?

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Assalaam aleikoum, broeders en zusters,

Is een muur of een afscheiding tussen mannen en vrouwen in de moskee aan te raden of is het een bidah. 

Zelfs in Medina zijn er aparte ingangen voor mannen en vrouwen en zijn ze binnen gescheiden door een houten afscheiding. 

In onderstaand artikel wordt een scheiding echter in vraag gesteld.


Women in mosques - No curtains, no walls, no partitions!

"It is perfectly Islamic to hold meetings of men and women inside the Masjid, whether for prayers or for any other Islamic purpose, without separating them with a curtain, partition or wall".  An emphatic ruling from Dr. Muzammil H. Siddiqi.

Question: We have a big controversy going on in our Masjid. Some brothers want to build a wall in the Musalla to separate men from women. Is it required in Islam? What are the basic rules of Shari’ah in this matter?

Answer:  Men and women both are allowed to pray in the mosque in the same Jama’ah. When men and women are together in the Masjid then we should have first men’s lines behind the Imam, then children and then women. This is the way Muslims used to pray behind the Prophet - peace be upon him. He did not make or ask his companions to have a curtain or wall between the lines of men and women. (See Al-Sindi’s Commentary on Sunan al-Nasa’I, p. 798)

According to the Shari’ah it is not required to have a partition, neither of temporary nor of permanent nature, between men and women in the Masjid.

It is perfectly Islamic to hold meetings of men and women inside the Masjid, whether for prayers or for any other Islamic purpose, without separating them with a curtain, partition or wall. It is, however, very important that Muslim women come to public gatherings wearing proper Islamic dress. It is haram for a Muslim woman to attend a public gathering without a full Islamic dress. She must cover her hair and neck with a scarf which should also go over her bosom. Her dress should be modest and loose enough in order not to reveal the shape of her body.

Partitions were introduced inside the Masajid later in Islamic history.

This was done, perhaps, because some women began coming to mosques without observing proper Islamic dress, or perhaps, some men wanted to discourage them from coming to mosques. In the time of the Prophet - peace be upon him - there was no curtain or partition in his Masjid, although women used to come to the Masjid almost for every prayer and for many other gatherings. It is, however, reported that they used to come to the Masjid covered up with long clothes.

‘Aishah -may Allah be pleased with her- said that the Believing women used to attend the Fajr prayer with the Prophet - peace be upon him. They used to come wrapped up in their long garments and then they used to return to their homes after the Salat, no one could recognize them because of the darkness.” (Al-Bukhari, Hadith 544 and 820)

Jama’ah means a congregation of people who are praying behind one Imam in continuous lines without any barrier or interruption. People who pray behind the Imam they should either see the Imam or see those who are in front of them. There is no Jama’ah when a person is in one room and his/her Imam in another room, the lines are not continuous and the people behind the Imam are also not visible. Otherwise people would not have to come to the Masjid for Jama’ah prayer. They would stay home and pray listening to the loudspeakers from their Masajid or through intercoms. They could nowadays even pray Jama’ah prayer in this way in their own homes listening to the prayer broadcasts coming from Makkah and Madinah on their radios, television sets or through the Internet. But no jurists have ever allowed a Jama’ah prayer in this way.

The definition of Jama’ah that I gave above is a general one and it is applicable to both men and women. Only in the case of necessity this rule can be relaxed. For example, if the Masjid was too small and people had to pray on different levels or in different rooms to accommodate every person then this would be permissible because of necessity. Muslims should not deliberately and for no reason bifurcate their congregation in their Masajid.

If there is a concern that the lines of men and women will mix inside the Masjid, then there is no harm in putting a lower barrier, only to demarcate the separate area for women. But women should not be put in a totally separate room in the Masjid unless there is a shortage of space and no other proper arrangement can be done for them.

Source: http://www.pakistanlink.com/religion.html

Segregatie tussen mannen en vrouwen is dus niet toegelaten als de mogelijkheid bestaat om hen in 1 ruimte samen te laten bidden, zij het niet door elkaar. 

Wassalaam alaykoum.

 

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De " geleerden" lijken belangrijker te zijn geworden dan Allah.

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[QUOTE=Whatalies]De " geleerden" lijken belangrijker te zijn geworden dan Allah.[QUOTE]

Toch niet beste Whatalies, 
toch niet in dit geval want kijk: 

Is there supposed to be a wall or partition separating men and women in the Masjid?

    In the Masjid of the first Muslim community and for many centuries in the Muslim world thereafter there were no walls separating the men from the women in Masjid.  Neither did the Blessed Prophet ever order it nor did any of his Sahaba.  

    The practice is a Bid'ah, or evil innovation, that is practiced widely in the Muslim world due to the influences of Hindu and Persian cultures during the middle ages.  This practice goes along with other rampant Bid'ahs in the Muslim world such as magic charms, reading tea leaves and casting spells. 

    This ruling was contained in the book, "Fataawi Islamiya." of which the Shaikhs Bin Baz and Ibn Uthaymeen took part.

Zouden er nog gewoonten uit andere culturen zijn overgnomen?  Zoals kledij? 

Of wetenschappen? Of vrouwenbesnijdenis? Of steniging? 

Wie weet? 

Groet.

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